PODCAST TRANSCRIPT | Episode 88 – LIFE, DEATH, COURTING, WEDDINGS, AND A TRIP TO ISRAEL!
FROM OUR HOME TO YOURS w/ Nancy Campbell
PODCAST 88- LIFE, DEATH, COURTING, WEDDINGS, AND A TRIP TO ISRAEL!
Rocky Barrett: Welcome to the podcast, From Our Home to Yours, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.
Nancy Campbell: Hello ladies! It is so wonderful to be with you again.
This morning I have my dear friend, Alison Hartman, with us again. They have just arrived back from Israel.
Alison and Daniel and their two oldest daughters, Makenna and Eden, along with Serene, Sam and their two oldest daughters, Chalice and Cherish and little Remmy and Solly all went to Israel together, the ten of them. A great team!
How did you all survive together?
Alison Hartman: Oh my goodness, ha-ha! It started off a little rocky. We brought the stomach bug with us from Tennessee. That was interesting. Every day we had somebody sick; but even in that we had lots of laughs and it really bonded us quickly.
It really worked out great timing wise because it was right when we got there, and we had jetlag and needed a few days to relax before we hit the road running.
NC: I think you did hit the road running, didn’t you? Here you are pregnant and how many weeks are you?
AH: Thirty-two.
NC: Thirty-two weeks and she just ripped her legs off, didn’t you?
AH: Yeah, Remmy and I earned the trophy for walking far more than we should.
NC: Yes, poor little Remmy, he’s four and he had to walk everywhere. They all arrived home and came walking into our lounge and Sam, I think it was a joke, said to Remmy, “Come on, Remmy, let’s go for a walk!”
Remmy started crying and crying. “Oh help, no!”
AH: They’ve ruined him for ever walking again! We walked miles and miles and miles. A lot of it was uphill; a lot of them were steep hills. We only called a taxi once because I just couldn’t do it.
NC: You did so amazing.
Anyway, we’re going to talk more about Israel and what they did there in this session. I think Pearl and Serene are back to doing their podcast today and I am sure Serene will be talking about it on the Trim Healthy Mama podcast.
But before we even go on to that I must share that this time we’re going through a grieving time here in our family. Life is not all just roses, is it?
Just a couple of days ago my granddaughter-in-law gave birth to a stillborn baby. She is Evangeline’s daughter-in-law. Evangeline was sharing just a few weeks ago on podcast 85. Did you listen to Evangeline? That was just so amazing. If you missed it, get back to it and listen to it. I think we mentioned there that her son Jireh and Alyvia were expecting a baby.
This beautiful baby was kicking and beautiful. Mother and baby were both healthy. Then all of a sudden, life went. They believe that the baby must have been doing such incredible acrobats in the womb that something happened to the cord and life stopped.
So many of you, I know, you have lost babies. You have lost babies in the womb. Even in the womb it is grievous as losing a little one who is born. There is something about life. I mean, you bond to life in the womb, you bond to this baby, and you name this baby. This baby is a living being.
This couple has just been going through horrendous, horrendous grief. It just makes you realize, and you can’t even believe it, how so many today can just discard life in the womb.
They are not aware of the preciousness of life.
We have governments in our nation who are prepared to make it law that a baby can be killed even after birth if it is destined for abortion. How can we even take this in when someone who knows it is life must go through such grieving?
Life here in this world is embracing life and then many times we must face the death of life, which is always the most horrific thing that we will ever have to go through.
We mourn, but we can mourn in hope. For those of you who have been through this, you know that we have to mourn in hope, don’t we? The hope of eternity! This little darling life will be celebrated into eternity forever. That’s the wonderful thing. Although we miss life here, we have the hope of eternal life. It is so incredible.
I think often we have got to live beyond the day-to-day and see that the eternal realm is the real world. I often have to remind myself that this is not the real world, but this is the temporary world, preparing for eternity. Do you have to do that?
The eternal world is the real world.
We look to that as we face what is going on.
But then again, we have other beautiful things happening. I was counting up the other night, that in our family life, we have about six courting couples. Isn’t that amazing?
Some of them are young and waiting for that time when they can be married but it is so beautiful, and it is so wonderful. I don’t think there is anything that rejoices my heart more than to see God bring a couple together. It’s miraculous. It’s incredible. There are all the people in the world and God just brings two special people together.
It’s so amazing.
Then we have the hope of weddings and babies coming after weddings! Isn’t it amazing?
God loves all this. Did you know that in the Bible God talks about the joy of weddings? God loves it. Today some people just go to a registry office and get married. They don’t celebrate it.
So many couples today are not even getting married. Oh, it breaks my heart. They don’t even get married; they just live together. They have lost the awe and the wonder of weddings and of a marriage.
I’m just thinking of Jeremiah 33:10, 11 and it says: “Thus saith the LORD; Again there shall be heard in this place . . . The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the Lord of hosts: for the Lord is good; for his mercy endureth for ever . . ..”
This is God talking about the blessing of God coming again upon Israel.
He says this is what is going to happen: When I bless you again, what will happen? There will be the voice of joy, the voice of mirth, and the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. There will be merriment, rejoicing, and joy. There will be weddings and out of weddings will come babies and the godly seed.
It’s God’s blessing. It is God’s blessing on the land when godly virgins are coming together and then they marry and then they embrace children and then raise godly families.
This is God’s plan.
Then conversely, there are Scriptures similar that say that when God is bringing His curse upon the nation because they have turned away from Him, they have habitually sinned and sinned and sinned and He says: “Now this is what will happen.”
It says here in Jeremiah 7:34; 16:9; and 25:10. Three times God says: “For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.”
When we no longer have lots of weddings, that is God’s curse.
We need to see God’s blessing is on marriage and the beautiful celebration of weddings and God bringing a couple together and establishing a family. It is the most beautiful thing.
Anyway, we are here today to find out more of what happened in Israel!
So, you first stayed in Jerusalem, didn’t you?
AH: Yes.
NC: Tell me the view you had of Jerusalem.
AH: Oh my goodness, we never dreamed we’d have such a neat accommodation. We had met a missionary in Pensacola where we live. They were visiting, from Israel, one of their sons. I had just met her a couple of years ago. She said, “If you’re ever in Israel, look us up” so we did. They have a ministry called Road to Emmaus.
They are a family with seven children. They’ve actually made Aliyah because he has Jewish heritage. They are just the neatest family. They let us rent their top apartment. We had the whole place to ourselves.
The back view was the Mount of Olives. It was just like the cherry on the top. We never dreamed that we would have such an amazing view in an apartment in a city, but you overlook the most amazing background.
This family didn’t just give us a key and say, “Have a good time.” They really were there. Their ministry is to bring in fellow believers and share the experience of Israel with them. They really walked it out with us. We even shared the stomach bug with them, and they still loved us!
They do a Shabbat meal and their church service up in the apartment we were staying at, so we had to let them come in. But it was great because they included us, and we made food together. It wasn’t like they treated us like a visitor, they treated us like family.
It was so neat because we got to see their perspective. As the podcast goes on, I’ll tell you about all the others we met. It was so neat to see a little snapshot of their place in Israel and what they are doing to serve the Jewish people.
NC: Yes, so that was right in Jerusalem. I think you walked the streets of Jerusalem, didn’t you?
AH: We did. We did rent a car, which was a little scary because Sam, I think purposefully, left his driver’s license here in America so my husband, Daniel, drove.
It was a stick-shift nine-passenger van. When you’re driving a stick and you haven’t done it since you were a teenager, it can be a little scary. Everything is a hill. We live in Florida and everything is flat. So he would get stuck on the top of a hill. The car would die, and we would start rolling back.
Serene would start singing, “JESUS!”
It was pretty funny!
Anyway, we had funny laughs, but some scary moments.
The funniest thing was when Serene said, “For some reason I feel like we’re in a foreign country, we really can’t die.” I kind of thought the same thing but I didn’t want to say it. But I said, “Yeah I kind of felt the same way but our chances of dying keep increasing the more we drive.”
These Israeli drivers are crazy. They love to honk. They love to cut in and you don’t expect it because you’re not used to that. Turn signals are never used.
We had quite the adventure! We rode the bus a couple times.
Sam accidentally hit this lady with his backpack, and he didn’t realize he did it. Then he turned to say he was sorry, and he hit her again. I think he hit her a third time! Nobody spoke English and he was trying to say he was sorry, but he couldn’t speak Hebrew.
Another funny story was we couldn’t figure out how the bus system worked. We looked at the sign and finally found somebody and said, “Can you speak English? Can you tell us when the bus is coming?”
He looked at us and then looked at the sign, then looked at us and looked back at the sign and the sign was in English and we didn’t know it!
He said, “Right there it says it will be here in seven minutes.”
We were all just kind of like, “Oh!”
We had the big sign “Dumb Tourist” written all over us.
NC: Of course you went on your own and explored without a tour guide.
AH: Yes, no tour guide, no tour bus, and honestly no plans. That was the coolest part.
We had many people, including my family, say, “What? You can’t go to Israel without a plan! You’re going to waste two weeks.”
Well, I just can’t wait to tell you how untrue that was. It really maybe wasn’t wise. we didn’t plan anything because we have just been so busy.
We got there and man, the doors got opened. We couldn’t have even planned such a wonderful trip.
NC: I know, it’s just so amazing. I was just looking through this morning and I must show you some of my albums of Israel. When we lived in Australia, Colin and I took tours to Israel. I was reading this beautiful poem, which I have in my album:
Words fail me when I think about the Holy Land;
I only know that where my Saviour stood, I stand.
And thus the hills He did behold, mine eyes have seen,
And where hath trod the Son of God, I too have been.
That’s the thing, isn’t it, when you go to Israel you’re not going just as a tourist to visit another country. You go, and you experience, and you feel. That’s the wonderful thing.
Now, on the way there, just as you’re getting on the plane to Israel you met the Waller’s, didn’t you?
AH: Yes, well you had told us . . .
NC: Yes, I said, “You have got to get out to the West Bank!”
AH: We thought, “Well, we’ll get there if we can. It would be great, but who knows?”
We were in line getting on the plane from New York to Israel and I think I had gone potty (because I went to every potty in Israel because I’m pregnant.).
When I came back Serene was hugging somebody and I thought, “Who in the world does she know in New York?”
It was the Waller’s. They had just visited their daughter in America, and they were heading back. They were in first class because they had a buddy pass and God blessed him with first class.
NC: Yes, she said that was the first time that ever happened.
AH: It was such a sweet blessing because they were in America to grieve the loss of one of their grandchildren that their daughter had just lost and so what a neat little kiss from God.
I went up to them and I said, “Hey, you don’t know me but I’m friends with the Campbell’s, friends with Sam and Serene, but we have no plans for the next two weeks. Do you think you could help us?”
Mr. Tommy Waller just looked at me and he goes, “We gotcha. We gotcha covered.”
We ended up not seeing them after the flight because they were first class and they were out of there. But then we contacted him a few days into our trip. Daniel, Sam and he all talked, and they had a plan. They invited us and we spent three nights with them and boy, did they roll out the red carpet. I mean they treated us so wonderfully.
NC: Yes, I am so glad you got out there to the West Bank because I think that is one of the most incredible things you can do if you go to Israel. That is the heartland of Israel. It is the very place where Joshua brought the children of Israel into the new land that they had to begin to conquer.
Of course you stayed right up on the Mount of Blessing, didn’t you? How amazing!
AH: Yes, that was so neat!
NC: Now ladies, I wonder if you know what the Mount of Blessing is.
When Joshua brought the children of Israel into the land, he brought them right into a little valley between two mountains—the Mount of Blessing (which in the Bible is called Mount Gerizim) and Mount Ebal.
Mount Gerizim is the Mount of Blessing. I think today they call it Har Brakha, don’t they?
AH: I think so.
NC: Yes, that’s what they call it. I’m sure some of you who are listening know this precious family, the Waller’s. Some of you have most probably been out to even work with them.
Their ministry is HaYovel, which means “Jubilee.”
When they first went out to the Land, God was leading them and they didn’t know what they were going to do but God was saying, “Go to Israel.” That was fifteen years ago and their youngest was just a little boy.
One of my Above Rubies covers had their little boy praying at the Wailing Wall. Now all these years later they are still there. Their children have grown. They took their eleven children out there to the West Bank where most people often fear to go because it is overrun with Arabs there who are not friendly to Israel.
God just so sovereignly, miraculously, and amazingly began to show them His plan of how He wanted to enable them to help the farmers of Israel who were planting the hillsides with vineyards.
Because they had had experience in farming, God had been preparing them. God put on their hearts to give their lives to befriend the Jewish people and to help them. For these last fifteen years or so they have gone to Israel, poured out their lives, stood beside these farmers and helped them prune, plant, and harvest their vineyards.
They have gathered young people and families in from all over the world to come and help them, especially in the harvest season. It is amazing.
Their children, of course, have gradually gotten married and now I think there are only three of their children left who are not married and they’ve gotten on to almost thirty grandchildren!
AH: Yes, twenty-nine under ten.
NC: Isn’t that amazing?
Wow, what a privilege to go out there!
AH: Yes, and they are fulfilling prophecy. They are literally fulfilling prophecy.
They shared with us a story about when they had first got there. It’s not easy for believers to come into Israel, which I didn’t realize.
I was taken back by that because I just assumed it was like any other country but no. They said the Jewish people look at Christians and they lump them all in one category and relate to them as Catholic or Hitler-lovers because Hitler claimed Jesus, which is ridiculous because there was no love in his heart.
Anyway, when they first got there, they had a hater, someone who really just didn’t want them up there. They took a photo of Mr. Waller and printed it and put it on bus stops all over their city and the country saying. “Get rid of him.”
They thankfully have a rabbi who just loves them. He really loves them. He knows they are Christians; he knows that they are believers.
The Waller’s have not held that back, but they respect their culture and they embrace the Jewish life and culture, not out of law and duty but out of respect and because they love the traditions.
It’s just so neat. We got to hear so many stories and they took us around. Whenever they would stop and tell us something about a view, they would take their Bibles out, and it was literally like you were in Bible school again when you were a little child.
He would say, “Do you remember the story of when Abraham and how he went to sacrifice his son Isaac? Well guess what, it’s right there!”
I can’t remember if it was Mrs. Waller or one of the other families we stayed with, but one of them said to me, “Israel is like going and having the Bible going from black and white to color.”
It’s so true. It just came off the pages. The stuff that we’ve read but didn’t understand, you could literally see these locations.
The Waller’s are amazing. They are really living it, but they are so humble, even though they are doing amazing things. They are planting, harvesting, and pruning hundreds of vineyards for these Jewish people, just volunteering their time, but showing them love.
NC: They have had people come to help them in the harvest from thirty different countries of the world. It’s just something you can do to serve the Lord.
AH: They have a discipleship program, too. You can send your daughters, or your sons and they will basically house and feed them and put them to work.
In fact, Cherish, Sam and Serene’s daughter, came back home and she has decided that in the summer she’s going back. She’s on fire and she’s excited.
NC: That is so cool. Yes, it is called “Daughters of Zion” and then they have one called, “Sons of Zion.” I would encourage you to go to their website. It is just www.hayovel.com and you will see it all there.
You will see what they are doing. You will see the opportunities for families to go and help. You will see the opportunities to send your young people. Some of you have older young people that are looking for something to do to serve the Lord. There are many areas where we can serve the Lord, but this is one way.
AH: A lot of people say, “Don’t go to the West Bank.” It is safe. I felt just as safe there as I do in my own town.
Of course there is stuff that goes on, but they know the areas not to go to. The area they are at you will feel so safe. I would send my daughter any day.
They have a lot of rules to where they keep the young people safe because they are taking care of someone’s eighteen-year-old for three months.
You don’t even have to go for three months. They have a day program.
Sam and Daniel got up at 5:30 in the morning one day and they went to men’s prayer and then they put them to work. They went out on the field and they pruned to where their hands were falling off at night.
Even if you want to come as a family, they have accommodations where they will put you up.
That’s what they want. We were leaving and we said to them, “How can we support you?”
We were thinking more financially but he said to Sam, “Oh, I don’t want your money.”
I mean of course they could use the money, but he said, “I want your time. I want you. I want you to send your children.”
That’s what they want because they have more work than they have helpers.
NC: The more people they get, the more they can help those farmers and they have to possess the land.
You see, usually, ladies, we’re talking about marriage or we’re talking about motherhood but here today we are talking about Israel.
But this also affects us as families because I believe that we must be FAMILIES THAT LOVE ISRAEL. We need to be families that have Israel upon our hearts and therefore we’re praying for Israel.
I know a lot of young people, young people who even come into this home. They don’t know one thing about Israel and yet they have been brought up in Christian homes. We shouldn’t allow our children to grow up in our Christian homes without understanding about Israel; without knowing God’s purposes for Israel; without having a heart for Israel.
Therefore if we know about it, and we know God’s heart, and then we get His heart in our heart we’ll be praying for Israel.
I think that’s a big thing. That’s somewhere where we can start and where we can pray for Israel.
I’ve often talked to you about how we have prayer boxes in our home. At our Family Devotions we have our Family Prayer Box but then we have nine different prayer boxes. One of them is our Praying for Israel Prayer Box.
Just last night we were praying out of that box and I have cards in it all about different areas and needs to pray for Israel. Actually I picked out just a few of them this morning. I’m not going to pick out the ones which have the needs for Israel, which are so many.
But I also have some of the cards that just have a Scripture out of the Word of God, which we can pray or be reminded to pray.
I’m just picking up this one here, Isaiah 62:6-7: “I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the Lord [which means we are reminders to the Lord], keep not silence, and give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.”
That is the Word of the Lord and that’s a Scripture to all of us and to us as families. When we gather each day to read the Word and pray together that we remember to pray for Israel. We’re to be watchmen on the walls and we’re not to give God rest. We’ve just got to, as it says, give Him no rest and keep not silent.
Oh goodness me, I think some families have never opened their mouths to pray for Israel in their lives and here the Scripture says, “KEEP NOT SILENT.”
We are commanded to pray for Israel.
I was just thinking of when they came into the land. We talked about how you stayed on the top of Mount Blessing.
Let me give you the reference to Mount Blessing. It is Deuteronomy 11:29: “And it shall come to pass, when the Lord thy God hath brought thee in unto the land whither thou goest to possess it, that thou shalt put the blessing upon mount Gerizim, and the curse upon mount Ebal.”
Again it tells us about that in Deuteronomy 27:11-13. It is amazing!
Now, Allison, we’ve got your husband, Daniel, here, too, and we’re going to get him to speak but we’re running out of time and we’ll do it next session.
But Daniel was telling me how he couldn’t believe that right there where Joshua brought the children of Israel in and they all had to stand in that valley between those two mountains, the Mount of Blessing and the Mount of Cursing. Half the tribes of Israel had to stand on the Mount of Blessing (Mount Gerizim) and half on the Mount of Cursing (Mount Ebal) and Joshua read all the blessings and all the curses.
They had to all stand there with their children, with their little ones, with their toddlers, and holding their babies. Every person had to hear the blessings and the curses before they went in to conquer the land because all the blessings came if they kept His commandments.
He said, “If you keep My commandments I will . . .” and He gave all the blessings. You can read them in Deuteronomy 28.
But Daniel was telling me how, it’s unbelievable! The acoustics are so incredible.
You think, “How can you read them, and anybody hear?”
But apparently Daniel was saying you could be up the mountain somewhere and you could hear people talking in Shechem, which is where it is. The acoustics are just so amazing.
So way back there, God prophesied and told them that this is where you will do it because God knew this was the best place for the acoustics. Isn’t that incredible?
AH: He had all the details taken care of.
NC: But I wonder, out there on the West Bank you saw a lot of amazing things. Maybe we do just have time for Daniel.
Daniel, Alison’s husband, was telling me how out there in the West Bank you see things that tourists don’t see. He was telling me about the UN and all the camps round about it. Tell us about it.
Daniel Hartman: As we were standing there looking down on the Mount of Blessing to the city of Shechem it looked like a nice town. Then you see right by the UN they have a refugee camp that looks like it’s a third world country.
We were talking about it and asking Joshua Waller and he said, basically it is just a photo-op. They only have a person or two living in there as best you could tell. There is no movement or cars.
They pull all of the Palestinians or Muslims or whatever they are called to basically make it look like it’s squalor, and basically show the nations and have this heavy deception as is expected for the media.
Of course I personally don’t know of anything good that comes out the UN.
It is personally sad to see how the whole world is being manipulated with this propaganda over lies about how they are in squalor. Then right next to this third world make-shift city they have beautiful buildings that the nations have poured in billions and billions of dollars that no one is even living in.
They build them so fast. They were telling me about a city where they built it so fast that they didn’t even plan to put sewage in it. No one could live in it because they didn’t have any facilities for sewage.
Basically Israel has sections A, B, and C. It is all state property. What they have happening is whoever comes to possess the land first are the ones that get it. So the countries of the world that hate Israel, that hate Hebrews, are paying all these cities that are built and no one is living in them. It is just the most bizarre thing.
As you’re standing on these mountains looking down you see across the valley where Abraham came into the land first and was promised the land by God.
Then you see the place where Joshua addressed the whole nation of Israel, six tribes on the Mount of Blessing and six tribes on the Mount of Cursing. You see where Joshua built the altar to sacrifice to God right there.
You see the place where Joseph was thrown into the cave and given and sold into slavery to Egypt.
You see Joseph’s tomb sitting right there.
Then you see Jacob’s field as you’re looking down.
Then you see Jacob’s well and right next to it is this UN debauchery. I don’t know how else to say it, just with the lies and the propaganda, and how everything is being manipulated.
Nancy, if you don’t mind, I am going to read this really quick and then I’ll be done.
It is Zechariah 8 and of all verses I was actually listening to this on the way on the flight in.
Me going to the land, I knew I needed to go there, but I didn’t really understand how to connect and how powerful it would be.
This is what I read as I came in, Zechariah 8:1-7 in the International Standard Version: “This is this message from the Lord of the Heavenly Armies: “This is what the Lord of the Heavenly Armies says: ‘I’m greatly jealous about Zion [which is Jerusalem], and that makes me furious about her.’”
He is just jealous about Jerusalem with a great love.
“This is what the Lord says: ‘I will return to Zion and I will live in the midst of Jerusalem. And Jerusalem will be called, “The City of Truth” and the mountain of the Lord of the Heavenly Armies will be called, “The Holy Mountain”.’”
This is where Christ is going to reign. This is where we’re grafted in as Christians, is Jerusalem.
Verse 4 says: “This is what the Lord of the Heavenly Armies says: ‘There will yet be old men and old women sitting in the parks of Jerusalem . . ..”
This is talking about peace. There is not peace there right now.
Literally, we were talking to the missionary guy that we were staying with. His son is in the IDF and three Muslims walked by and just spit on his feet.
If you are a tourist they don’t mess with you because that is money coming in, but if you’re a Hebrew that’s what is going on, especially if you’re in the IDF because they don’t allow any Muslims in their army.
So: “In the parks of Jerusalem, each one of them holding canes in their hands due to their old age [meaning they lived a long life]! The city parks will be filled with boys and girls. They will play in the city’s open parks.’ “This is what the Lord of the Heavenly Armies says [these are the armies, the Leader of God’s army and the role that He’s putting on in place]: ‘It may seem impossible to the survivors of this people, but is it impossible for me?’ declares the Lord of the Heavenly Armies. “This is what the Lord of the Heavenly Armies says: ‘Look! After having saved my people from the land of the east and from the land of the west, I will also bring them back to live in the midst of Jerusalem. They will be my people and I will truly be their righteous God.’”
NC: Yes, amen.
Well time has gone. I think we’re going to have to talk in another session because there’s more to talk about Israel.
Daniel, I love to pray at the end of each of our podcasts. I wonder if you could pray today and ask the Lord to open all of our hearts more and more to truly understand all of God’s purposes for Israel?
DH: “Dear Lord, Thank You for this time that we were able to go to this land, Your land, to walk in Your city that You will reign from, God. Thank You for continually opening my eyes to how precious Israel is to You, God.
“Lord God, we just pray that the people there would turn to You, God; that they would turn from their works-based religion and see You, the true Messiah, as You will stand and come down that Mount of Olives, God, and rule and reign forever
“I know they will see You and You’ll be revealing Yourself to them and they will turn to You then, God, but I pray for these people.
“I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, God, that all these people of these lands, God, and the world, would just see peace in Jerusalem; that they would see peace and not the division and that the division would stop in the name of Jesus. Amen.”